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		<title>By: Hermes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hermes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 00:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the branch of the government that I work with decided healthcare issues, the patient would be dead before they decided which regs to follow, and which GS (Government Service) grade person has the authority.  (And then the forms would get hung up someplace and you&#039;d have to find that person, and the person wouldn&#039;t be there because they got President&#039;s day off.)  And when the person with the forms came back, they&#039;d need to figure out who has the authority, and then the person with authority would be gone inexplicably.  By then though you&#039;d be dealing with a rotten corpse, and that would be a whole different set of people, and you&#039;d look silly for asking the initial question.

There would be 5 sets of regulations, all created by different senate committes or organizations in order to help their organization or state gain more funding and power.  This is not to say that the individual hasn&#039;t already lost control of nearly all the things that affect him.  He has.  And it&#039;s not to say that the doctor hasn&#039;t already lost control of treatment; she has.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the branch of the government that I work with decided healthcare issues, the patient would be dead before they decided which regs to follow, and which GS (Government Service) grade person has the authority.  (And then the forms would get hung up someplace and you&#8217;d have to find that person, and the person wouldn&#8217;t be there because they got President&#8217;s day off.)  And when the person with the forms came back, they&#8217;d need to figure out who has the authority, and then the person with authority would be gone inexplicably.  By then though you&#8217;d be dealing with a rotten corpse, and that would be a whole different set of people, and you&#8217;d look silly for asking the initial question.</p>
<p>There would be 5 sets of regulations, all created by different senate committes or organizations in order to help their organization or state gain more funding and power.  This is not to say that the individual hasn&#8217;t already lost control of nearly all the things that affect him.  He has.  And it&#8217;s not to say that the doctor hasn&#8217;t already lost control of treatment; she has.</p>
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		<title>By: DrGreg</title>
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		<dc:creator>DrGreg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 15:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan, 

Thanks for writing this article.  We are waging war on four main fronts against statism in health care: Moral, Constitutional, Economic, and Pragmatic.  The argument against the &quot;right&quot; to health care is at the heart of the health care debate.  Thanks for the ammo.  I have posted a link to this article on my blog, Doctors on Strike, at the website for Doctors on Strike for Freedom in Medicine.

Dr. Gregory Garamoni
Doctors on Strike for Freedom in Medicine
http://www.doctorsonstrike.com

P.S. We invite you to visit our website (doctorsonstrikedotcome), which provides factual, political, and intellectual ammunition to win the war against statism in medicine. Please consider signing our Petition to Protect Doctor-Patient Rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan, </p>
<p>Thanks for writing this article.  We are waging war on four main fronts against statism in health care: Moral, Constitutional, Economic, and Pragmatic.  The argument against the &#8220;right&#8221; to health care is at the heart of the health care debate.  Thanks for the ammo.  I have posted a link to this article on my blog, Doctors on Strike, at the website for Doctors on Strike for Freedom in Medicine.</p>
<p>Dr. Gregory Garamoni<br />
Doctors on Strike for Freedom in Medicine<br />
<a href="http://www.doctorsonstrike.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.doctorsonstrike.com</a></p>
<p>P.S. We invite you to visit our website (doctorsonstrikedotcome), which provides factual, political, and intellectual ammunition to win the war against statism in medicine. Please consider signing our Petition to Protect Doctor-Patient Rights.</p>
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		<title>By: Obama has it backwards on Iran and Health care &#124; Daily Danet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Obama has it backwards on Iran and Health care &#124; Daily Danet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] said before, healthcare is not a right.  Anytime you delve into the health and wellness of human beings, their most personal decisions [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dave the storm.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave the storm.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 06:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m as conservative as they come and this article is a pile of bullshit.
We pay over 15% of our GDP in America for health care while the asians, euros and the canadians trade higher just for their health care index and they don&#039;t even pay over 5% of their collective GDPs for health care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m as conservative as they come and this article is a pile of bullshit.<br />
We pay over 15% of our GDP in America for health care while the asians, euros and the canadians trade higher just for their health care index and they don&#8217;t even pay over 5% of their collective GDPs for health care.</p>
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		<title>By: AbbiNormal</title>
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		<dc:creator>AbbiNormal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 03:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You now have another reader to add to your numbers.  Very well written!  I am going to send this to my mom, who has been saying the exact same thing for years.  Well done!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You now have another reader to add to your numbers.  Very well written!  I am going to send this to my mom, who has been saying the exact same thing for years.  Well done!</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Ford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Ford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 06:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually thought of a much simpler argument involving the &quot;right&quot; to health care coverage....one that liberals will probably hate even more.


Since the left considers health care to be a right that the government should be obligated to pay for, I wonder when I&#039;ll get my government provided handgun?   What makes this &quot;right&quot; any different than the &quot;right&quot; of healthcare?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually thought of a much simpler argument involving the &#8220;right&#8221; to health care coverage&#8230;.one that liberals will probably hate even more.</p>
<p>Since the left considers health care to be a right that the government should be obligated to pay for, I wonder when I&#8217;ll get my government provided handgun?   What makes this &#8220;right&#8221; any different than the &#8220;right&#8221; of healthcare?</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Ford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Ford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 03:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heres the best response I&#039;ve heard re: the &quot;mythical&quot; right that I have to health care.  I can&#039;t take credit cause I don&#039;t know where it originated.

If I truly have a right to health care (which is debatable), lets examine a right that I have which is not debatable:  my right to free speech.  At least that is outlined in the Bill of Rights.

I have the right to free speech.  I can say what I want, when I want to, about whomever I want and you have the right to disagree with me.  Let&#039;s say I&#039;m coming to your town and I&#039;m really fired up about a particular topic......How Bad Your Town Sucks!  I&#039;m sorry you disagree with me, but this is my right.  I can think this and I can speak this for this is my right......and oh yeah, I want you to pay for it.  No really.  I&#039;m gonna need a town hall rented so I can make my speech about how bad your town sucks.  I can speak ill about your town because it is my right, I don&#039;t care if you agree with me or not.  I&#039;m also gonna need you to pay for the advertising of my speech so people from your town can come hear me bash their town.  They won&#039;t agree with me either but, too bad.....its my right.  I&#039;ll also need you to rent a P.A. , rent some chairs, provide me with lodging and meals while I&#039;m in your town.....all on your dime.  Not fair you say?  Why should you pay for me to come in and speak unflattering things about your beloved hometown?  Because I have the right the free speech and regardless of whether or not you agree with what I&#039;m saying, the money to pay for this has got to come from somewhere....so, pony up and ....Long Live Free Speech!

Most logical people would agree that this scenario is completely ridiculous.  Just because I&#039;m guaranteed the right to free speech doesn&#039;t mean that I&#039;m not obligated to pay for it myself.  But that is exactly what the &quot;health Care is a right crowd&quot; is trying to convince us of.  We could soon be paying for someone else&#039;s right, whether or not we agree with it at all, if the left has its way and pushes through a national health care innitiative.  Hopefully it will pass because then I could argue that my yearly trips to Amsterdam to visit the hemp shops and the red light ladies should now be government subsidized because getting high and getting jiggy with the ladies makes me very, very happy and we all know that the pursuit of happiness in one of the inalienable rights of men :)

Seriously,  all joking aside.....we are living in a very crucial time and are witnessing very dangerous ideas beginning to gain traction.  My wife, who was born in a communist country and  lived there until she was 30 years old, made an interesting observation.  She commented that almost every idea being put forth by most Democratic and some Republican politicians sounded almost exactly like the propaganda she grew up listening to in communist Czechoslovakia.  Ouch.

Health care is not a right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heres the best response I&#8217;ve heard re: the &#8220;mythical&#8221; right that I have to health care.  I can&#8217;t take credit cause I don&#8217;t know where it originated.</p>
<p>If I truly have a right to health care (which is debatable), lets examine a right that I have which is not debatable:  my right to free speech.  At least that is outlined in the Bill of Rights.</p>
<p>I have the right to free speech.  I can say what I want, when I want to, about whomever I want and you have the right to disagree with me.  Let&#8217;s say I&#8217;m coming to your town and I&#8217;m really fired up about a particular topic&#8230;&#8230;How Bad Your Town Sucks!  I&#8217;m sorry you disagree with me, but this is my right.  I can think this and I can speak this for this is my right&#8230;&#8230;and oh yeah, I want you to pay for it.  No really.  I&#8217;m gonna need a town hall rented so I can make my speech about how bad your town sucks.  I can speak ill about your town because it is my right, I don&#8217;t care if you agree with me or not.  I&#8217;m also gonna need you to pay for the advertising of my speech so people from your town can come hear me bash their town.  They won&#8217;t agree with me either but, too bad&#8230;..its my right.  I&#8217;ll also need you to rent a P.A. , rent some chairs, provide me with lodging and meals while I&#8217;m in your town&#8230;..all on your dime.  Not fair you say?  Why should you pay for me to come in and speak unflattering things about your beloved hometown?  Because I have the right the free speech and regardless of whether or not you agree with what I&#8217;m saying, the money to pay for this has got to come from somewhere&#8230;.so, pony up and &#8230;.Long Live Free Speech!</p>
<p>Most logical people would agree that this scenario is completely ridiculous.  Just because I&#8217;m guaranteed the right to free speech doesn&#8217;t mean that I&#8217;m not obligated to pay for it myself.  But that is exactly what the &#8220;health Care is a right crowd&#8221; is trying to convince us of.  We could soon be paying for someone else&#8217;s right, whether or not we agree with it at all, if the left has its way and pushes through a national health care innitiative.  Hopefully it will pass because then I could argue that my yearly trips to Amsterdam to visit the hemp shops and the red light ladies should now be government subsidized because getting high and getting jiggy with the ladies makes me very, very happy and we all know that the pursuit of happiness in one of the inalienable rights of men <img src='http://www.dailydanet.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Seriously,  all joking aside&#8230;..we are living in a very crucial time and are witnessing very dangerous ideas beginning to gain traction.  My wife, who was born in a communist country and  lived there until she was 30 years old, made an interesting observation.  She commented that almost every idea being put forth by most Democratic and some Republican politicians sounded almost exactly like the propaganda she grew up listening to in communist Czechoslovakia.  Ouch.</p>
<p>Health care is not a right.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Berry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Berry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 01:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great essay.  I&#039;ve written a couple of articles on the same topic and we seem to think along the same lines on this subject. I&#039;ll be your sixth reader.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://chrisberryonthe.net/2008/03/25/healthcare-is-not-a-right&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Healthcare Is Not A Right&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://chrisberryonthe.net/2008/09/08/revisiting-the-oregon-plan-the-future-of-healthcare-in-america&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Revisiting The Oregon Plan&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great essay.  I&#8217;ve written a couple of articles on the same topic and we seem to think along the same lines on this subject. I&#8217;ll be your sixth reader.</p>
<p><a href="http://chrisberryonthe.net/2008/03/25/healthcare-is-not-a-right" rel="nofollow">Healthcare Is Not A Right</a></p>
<p><a href="http://chrisberryonthe.net/2008/09/08/revisiting-the-oregon-plan-the-future-of-healthcare-in-america" rel="nofollow">Revisiting The Oregon Plan</a></p>
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		<title>By: Paul Hsieh, MD</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Hsieh, MD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 17:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for an excellent essay.

Too much of the discussion criticizing socialized medicine centers on statistics and economics, rather than the more fundamental philosophical issue of whether health care should be considered a &quot;right&quot;.  Your essay tackles this issue head on.

I&#039;d also like to mention a similar essay by Dr. Leonard Peikoff entitled, &quot;Health Care is Not a Right&quot;, which can be found at:

http://www.westandfirm.org/Peikoff-01.html

One thing that Dr. Peikoff points out is that rights are *freedoms of action*.  Hence they only impose *negative* obligations on others.  For instance, my right to free speech means that my neighbor or the government must not stop me from exercising my right, but they don&#039;t have to give me a microphone.

In contrast, the various entitlements masquerading as rights are *claims on goods or services* that must be produced by another.  They therefore are an alleged *positive* obligation.  As you and he correctly note, any such purported positive obligation is tantamount to theft or slavery.  The only way a government can attempt to guarantee that kind of a positive &quot;right&quot; is by violating individuals&#039; actual rights.

There is a huge difference between a *need* and a *right*.  Much of that problem in contemporary America is caused by a confusion (deliberate or otherwise) between these two very distinct concepts, and I&#039;m glad you&#039;ve explicitly highlighted the difference.

As a health care debate heats up this election year, we need more discussion about this very fundamental issue.  I&#039;m glad your essay is getting wide circulation, and I thank you for writing it.

Paul Hsieh, MD
Sedalia, CO
Freedom and Individual Rights in Medicine (FIRM):
http://www.WeStandFIRM.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for an excellent essay.</p>
<p>Too much of the discussion criticizing socialized medicine centers on statistics and economics, rather than the more fundamental philosophical issue of whether health care should be considered a &#8220;right&#8221;.  Your essay tackles this issue head on.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d also like to mention a similar essay by Dr. Leonard Peikoff entitled, &#8220;Health Care is Not a Right&#8221;, which can be found at:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.westandfirm.org/Peikoff-01.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.westandfirm.org/Peikoff-01.html</a></p>
<p>One thing that Dr. Peikoff points out is that rights are *freedoms of action*.  Hence they only impose *negative* obligations on others.  For instance, my right to free speech means that my neighbor or the government must not stop me from exercising my right, but they don&#8217;t have to give me a microphone.</p>
<p>In contrast, the various entitlements masquerading as rights are *claims on goods or services* that must be produced by another.  They therefore are an alleged *positive* obligation.  As you and he correctly note, any such purported positive obligation is tantamount to theft or slavery.  The only way a government can attempt to guarantee that kind of a positive &#8220;right&#8221; is by violating individuals&#8217; actual rights.</p>
<p>There is a huge difference between a *need* and a *right*.  Much of that problem in contemporary America is caused by a confusion (deliberate or otherwise) between these two very distinct concepts, and I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;ve explicitly highlighted the difference.</p>
<p>As a health care debate heats up this election year, we need more discussion about this very fundamental issue.  I&#8217;m glad your essay is getting wide circulation, and I thank you for writing it.</p>
<p>Paul Hsieh, MD<br />
Sedalia, CO<br />
Freedom and Individual Rights in Medicine (FIRM):<br />
<a href="http://www.WeStandFIRM.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.WeStandFIRM.org</a></p>
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		<title>By: SoftwareNerd</title>
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		<dc:creator>SoftwareNerd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 11:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post.

With so many voters wondering what&#039;s the best way to implement  &quot;the health care right&quot;, it is about time to question the fundamentals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post.</p>
<p>With so many voters wondering what&#8217;s the best way to implement  &#8220;the health care right&#8221;, it is about time to question the fundamentals.</p>
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